There has been a transformation in the underground that many "fans" have shown immense hate for. There seems to be this belief that once an artists gets underground fame they should never be allowed to do anything remotely similar or involved in the mainstream. For instance, once Twiztid left Psychopathic and released New Nightmare they were skewered for working with "mainstream" artists such as Caskey. The truth is I praise them for doing whatever they want and working with who ever they want. Another example is Tech N9ne and Strange music. In the Faygoluvers forum recently someone said "Strange music isn't an underground label anymore. All of the artists are mainstream except maybe." Another person commented that Tech had "sold out" because he is finally getting recognition in the popular arena. In the same breath those people praise ICP for their work on Fuse TV for finally "getting their dues." This is the double standard I was speaking of. Why is it that the number one group in the underground, the originators of the underground wicked shit are given a pass when others are not?
I personally feel that any artists that represent us, the Juggalos, should be praised for getting us recognized. The fans should continue to support these artists even if we might not like the artists they collaborate with. Each and every artist that comes from the depths and breaks through in pop culture brings us closer to being accepted and better understood. Tech N9ne didn't sell out, he MADE IT! Twiztid is not selling out, they are making music they want to make. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to hate these guys for making these decisions. I think a lot of the hate has to do with jealousy. People don't like that these guys are making money doing the things they love.
I was working with a group for a while out of Amarillo. From a business perspective I was trying to do what was best for the longevity of the group in the business world. Shortly after we had a small dispute and parted ways they posted "We don't kiss ass to be accepted period. *********** will stay running local shows before we sell out just because its doing "good buisness" fuck you if you don't like it" When they mention kissing ass it was in reference to my trying to keep a business relationship with a printer who supplied stickers, backdrops, and other printed items to us at a great discount because of my friendship with him. Unfortunately this is the attitude that leads to people never getting ahead, never making it, and never, ever getting out of their cities. Guys like this are proud to be local opener heroes for guys in the business that are making moves and getting ahead. This group, while very talented lacked the most important traits: Commitment, ability to control their emotions, and common sense. The biggest problem with guys like this is that they are the biggest haters towards people making moves. I promise you that guys like this will not get anywhere in this business.
So I guess I can sum up this article by saying as Juggalos we should back these artists even if they are working with people we may not like. We should support these artists until they begin to make music we don't like. It shouldn't matter if someone is on MTV or BET regularly. Hell ICP was on MTV back in the day! We all need to remember, even if you are an underground artist, that if you were offered a good chunk of money to be on Strange, Subnoize, or any other bigger named label you would be an idiot not to take it and run with it! If you are not in this business to make money, you shouldn't be in this business. As it is a majority of these artists in the underground will never make it. Not because they are being shunned, held back, or kissing enough ass but simply because they don't have the talent, connections, or drive to make it. For most of these guys they do music as a hobby nothing more. They work from a studio in their basements, garages, or closets to save money. In order to be successful in this business you need to invest in it. That means investing time, money, and energy into everything you do. Find the best studio you can afford, get your tracks mastered by professionals, and don't try to sell cd-dvr's with sharpie as "the hottest thing on the market" When I get those I rarely listen to them. A first impression can only be made once.
I got nothing but love for every single artists struggling to make it in the business. I got nothing but love for my Juggalo Family. Let's stop hating on los and lettes for making it. Let's celebrate their success. Hate and jealousy will eat you alive and make you do and say things that will hurt you in the long run.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
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Thursday, April 10, 2014
Sunday, November 24, 2013
Why local Hip Hop is failing
Since I have moved to Tucson I have noticed the same thing I have noticed in any city I have lived in for the past ten years, Local Hip Hop artists refuse to support other artists in their cities. There seems to be this accepted understanding that if you or your friends do not like another group of people you have to do everything you can to stop them from making moves. I understand that the complex mix of envy, jealousy, fear, anger, and loyalty drives this idea. The local hip hop scene is dying a slow death because of this philosophy.
The solution to this problem is quite simple, whether you like the music they make or not you should have respect for the fact they are trying to make it just like you. The other day on Facebook the guy who runs the Tucson Rap page posted a cypher which had 4 white guys on it as part of his Southwest Cypher Series. Almost immediately another rapper posted this:
"Y'all need to stop showing these whack white boy rappers and focus on artists. The only true artists in tucson are EMG, EZ Goin, the Kennedy's and efresh. Stop showing this stupid typical tucson rap because that's why no one gives tucson love."
This is exactly what I am talking about. This guy has a few people he supports and because of race has decided the guy on that cypher are whack. It is a fact one of the best rappers in the world is Eminem and he is white. I think it is time we move beyond the idea that a persons skin color makes or breaks their ability in Rap and Hip Hop. Why does it matter if the guys on the cypher are white? It doesn't. Stacc Styles is one of the best chopping rappers in this city. Crookyd is hands down one of the best battle rappers here. They have been asked to perform at shows and have been the only Tucson rappers on the bill. This isn't by chance it is because they work constantly on their craft. They don't make cheap ass music or music videos. The hustle hard, make quality music, and always have their eyes on what is important, their career and what they want to accomplish. That is how you succeed. They also show love to anyone trying to make it and actually doing the work needed to make it. Rap isn't a hobby, I have said it before, it is a business. In order to succeed you need to do anything and everything to make it. Deprive yourself of sleep and other things to make your dreams happen.
There have been times I have heard people say "I would love to see the headliner but I don't support the locals on the show so I am not going." How does this make any sense? You should be buying tickets to shows for the headliner not the locals. Who knows if people gave someone they heard was whack a chance they might actually dig what the guy(s) do. If local scenes continue to get shows of 25-30 people and by the time the headliner is out you can count the fans on your hands because the fans only came to support their friends then rappers and other artists who can give you exposure will not come to town. Then nobody wins. Small or big a national tour can get you exposure and fans nationwide. If any artists refuses to see that then it is time to quit and get a 9-5 job.
There is a movement by some on social media to "support locals" and that in words is great. But the same people who post such things do not back up that idea with actions. What they in turn are saying is "Come support my friends because I think they deserve it, but I will not return the favor." As local shows refuse to support one another the entire movement fails. Not until we can all band together and support people because of their hustle, abilities, and drive and stop hate because of envy, jealousy, fear, anger, and blind loyalty will the hip hop movement in any city begin to see success and love from anyone outside of that city.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
The solution to this problem is quite simple, whether you like the music they make or not you should have respect for the fact they are trying to make it just like you. The other day on Facebook the guy who runs the Tucson Rap page posted a cypher which had 4 white guys on it as part of his Southwest Cypher Series. Almost immediately another rapper posted this:
"Y'all need to stop showing these whack white boy rappers and focus on artists. The only true artists in tucson are EMG, EZ Goin, the Kennedy's and efresh. Stop showing this stupid typical tucson rap because that's why no one gives tucson love."
This is exactly what I am talking about. This guy has a few people he supports and because of race has decided the guy on that cypher are whack. It is a fact one of the best rappers in the world is Eminem and he is white. I think it is time we move beyond the idea that a persons skin color makes or breaks their ability in Rap and Hip Hop. Why does it matter if the guys on the cypher are white? It doesn't. Stacc Styles is one of the best chopping rappers in this city. Crookyd is hands down one of the best battle rappers here. They have been asked to perform at shows and have been the only Tucson rappers on the bill. This isn't by chance it is because they work constantly on their craft. They don't make cheap ass music or music videos. The hustle hard, make quality music, and always have their eyes on what is important, their career and what they want to accomplish. That is how you succeed. They also show love to anyone trying to make it and actually doing the work needed to make it. Rap isn't a hobby, I have said it before, it is a business. In order to succeed you need to do anything and everything to make it. Deprive yourself of sleep and other things to make your dreams happen.
There have been times I have heard people say "I would love to see the headliner but I don't support the locals on the show so I am not going." How does this make any sense? You should be buying tickets to shows for the headliner not the locals. Who knows if people gave someone they heard was whack a chance they might actually dig what the guy(s) do. If local scenes continue to get shows of 25-30 people and by the time the headliner is out you can count the fans on your hands because the fans only came to support their friends then rappers and other artists who can give you exposure will not come to town. Then nobody wins. Small or big a national tour can get you exposure and fans nationwide. If any artists refuses to see that then it is time to quit and get a 9-5 job.
There is a movement by some on social media to "support locals" and that in words is great. But the same people who post such things do not back up that idea with actions. What they in turn are saying is "Come support my friends because I think they deserve it, but I will not return the favor." As local shows refuse to support one another the entire movement fails. Not until we can all band together and support people because of their hustle, abilities, and drive and stop hate because of envy, jealousy, fear, anger, and blind loyalty will the hip hop movement in any city begin to see success and love from anyone outside of that city.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Thursday, August 8, 2013
Paying dues
The more I work with artists on all levels in the music business the more I am seeing the downfall of the industry. Far too many rappers bring the street mentality to business. By this I mean they handle their music career like they would handle a drug deal on the street. Established artists continually fail to remember that they once were opening shows in their local areas and struggling to make ends meet. They use their position in the business to abuse, intimidate, and use local acts to pad their bank accounts. Popular performers in local cities are charging nationwide touring prices for a show in their home cities. And up and coming artists are no longer willing to put in work to get known and advance their careers beyond the local level.
Each of these things is killing the business locally and nationally. I am going to break each one down so I can expand on the problems I see and ways we can overcome these issues and once again make live music exciting, profitable, and most of all trustworthy.
First the big name acts. These people have paid their dues. They deserve to get paid above the cost of their tours to do a show. They have earned the right to ask people to pay a reasonable ticket price to see their shows. They have marketed themselves, have national exposure and following, and have earned their spot on the ladder. The problem comes in when these acts use that position to not only exploit promoters and local acts but abuse their position and prevent others from making moves up the ladder after them, thus killing competition. I have personally seen "street tactics" used to exploit promoters for money that they were not entitled because shows had been cancelled. These shows usually do not have a non-refundable deposit (Which would protect that shows cost for the artist) and normally do not have a signed contract to back up their claims. So the artists end up making verbal threats and resorting to these "street tactics" to exploit money they are not entitled. The other way they kill up and coming artists is by charging thousands of dollars to do a verse for the newer artists. Most of the time the big name artist does little to no actual thinking about the verse they record. They give a canned verse to a beat or a verse they had recorded for something else. There are some out there that do not do these things and those people have earned my respect.
Next we have the big local name act. These guys may be known in the city, state, or region they are in and are entitled to get paid a small amount to do shows in these areas. They have earned the right to charge a few hundred dollars and travel expenses to do shows but not more than that. These guys usually are easier to deal with but some can still have the ego issues and have been known to back out of shows at the last minute and not give the booker/promoter anything back for the time, energy, and money invested in promoting these guys for those shows. A lot of these guys promote their own shows and then fall into the habit of charging openers high amounts to fill slots on their shows knowing their notoriety locally will "encourage" the smaller local acts to pay just to have the right to say they were selected by the artist to open their shows. Once again not all of the bigger local names are like this and you can find trustworthy people to work with.
Lastly is the local guys who have paid to open shows for these big local or national names and now feel entitled to be paid for their performance, not have to sell tickets, or be treated like a big fish when they are not. These people usually resort to "street tactics" because that is all they know. Some sell drugs, are in gangs, and are too young to have any business experience or knowledge. Those reasons are why "beef" gets brought into shows causing violence and making venues not host any hip hop or rap shows. Cities that have been huge support cities for major artists have been crippled by these things. These artists have yet to earn their stripes. They haven’t paid their dues. They have no right to charge a promoter to open the show with no guaranteed ticket sales or assistance in promotion. In my blog "what-exactly-is-pay-to-play" I outline how a show should be booked and promoted. This format makes everyone some profit for every show. This is the format these types of people should be following when they do local shows.
I have quite a few low and mid-level artists in the business that I speak with frequently and they agree that this format is the best one for everyone. Many of the mid-level guys still only charge a small appearance fee and travel costs to go anywhere and do a show. They do this not because they can’t get paid more money but they understand they haven’t earned that right yet. They are still grinding and hustling to get known nationwide. They know how to properly work up in this business. These types of artists give me hope that live music isn't and will not be dead in the near future.
There was a time in this business it was like a family. We all looked out for one another and supported each other because we had to in order to survive. We all went to shows, stayed for everyone’s sets, bought merchandise from others, and stood by one another to make every show a kick ass time. I truly believe this mentality isn’t dead. I believe that honest hard working artists still exist and know that by grinding, paying their dues, and supporting others will pay off in the end. Yes there will always be snakes who take advantage of this. That is why we must stand up and stop these abuses from happening. Stop paying high value for minimal effort. Stop letting these abusers get away with it. This is a BUSINESS and should be handled as such. Live music should be an event. It should make people not want to leave because for several hours they were able to leave their problems and worries at the door and cut loose. In the end everyone should leave with something, whether that is money, memories, or new friends.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Saturday, July 13, 2013
The Movement
A ton has happened in the last week and I have learned a great deal.
First thing I wanted to formally address was the first show Wicked Butterfly Entertainment booked and promoted here in Tucson, the Snug Brim Arroggant Tour. After James Barone royally screwed that tour booking up Snug Brim trusted a long time friend to rebook the tour. For those who don't know James Barone was taking deposits from promoters and artists and not passing the cash onto Snug Brim. Anyway the tour got re-booked and I sent Snug Brim the first half of his appearance fee, $225.00. Not a lot but it was what had been negotiated. After he got that money I could not reach him for any kind of flight info, arrival times, or anything. Bottom line is Snug Brim no-showed the appearance and has yet to return any of that deposit money back to me. No I normally don't air dirty laundry on here but I think if a thief is discovered they should be called out! Despite that fact the show went awesome. I heard many comments that it was the best local show they have had here in Tucson in many years. As many of you know from previous blogs I promote so that the artists, venues, and myself all make money in the end. If you want to know how I do it go back and read my last few blogs. The night had a variety of local Tucson Hip Hop artists. They included first time performances by From Tha Ash and Chi!pz, Full Kontakt Entertainment, Tha Silent 1 & J Dawg, The Source and Cultivate Creative Sound(CCS) stepped up as the headliners. Top to bottom all of the acts performed very well. The crowd showed love consistently throughout the night for all of the acts. In the end we all had a kick ass time and I think we all are looking forward to the next show as I bring T.O.N.E-Z and Poe Whosaine to Tucson Aug 28th!
Now to the main theme for the post, The Movement. I have seen this past week a lot of love for my promotion method and how it benefits everyone at the show. I had several people come up to me at the show and after and state that they have never seen a crowd stay through every act in a show. Like I said all the acts and their fans stayed at the show and gave each and every act love. In the weeks leading up to the show all the artists were given a chance to make money bringing people to the show, and I hope most did in the end. So I am starting The Movement, the Promoters and Artists working together to make each and every show a success. Instead of each side trying to screw the other so they make more money, everyone works together and everyone makes money. Sure no one person or group is making thousands of dollars on the shows but in this economy every hundred bucks helps. There are too many times I have seen headliners do what Snug Brim did to me, get a deposit(make it non-refundable) and not show to perform. This hurts everyone and it needs to stop. Artists, if you are paid to show up and perform, do it! That is easy. The promoters are paying you, covering hotel costs, and in some cases travel cost and all you have to do is show up and do 45 min to an hour on stage, that is your JOB! Mars told me once he keeps a list of promoters and performers he has worked with. Each one has notes, if he trusts them and a label on if he will work with them in the future. I have started to keep a list as well. I hope as The Movement gets going we can build a network of trustworthy promoters and artists so we all can get ahead in the music business. That is what it is a BUSINESS! In my blog Business or Hobby I make it clear where I stand.
The next show Wicked Butterfly Entertainment is hosting is DJ Clay's Scratch the Surface Tour with Mars in Albuquerque, NM on July 26th! 2 weeks away so get the word out!
I truly feel as though this movement is needed and wanted in the business. Leave me some comments and let me know where you stand!
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
First thing I wanted to formally address was the first show Wicked Butterfly Entertainment booked and promoted here in Tucson, the Snug Brim Arroggant Tour. After James Barone royally screwed that tour booking up Snug Brim trusted a long time friend to rebook the tour. For those who don't know James Barone was taking deposits from promoters and artists and not passing the cash onto Snug Brim. Anyway the tour got re-booked and I sent Snug Brim the first half of his appearance fee, $225.00. Not a lot but it was what had been negotiated. After he got that money I could not reach him for any kind of flight info, arrival times, or anything. Bottom line is Snug Brim no-showed the appearance and has yet to return any of that deposit money back to me. No I normally don't air dirty laundry on here but I think if a thief is discovered they should be called out! Despite that fact the show went awesome. I heard many comments that it was the best local show they have had here in Tucson in many years. As many of you know from previous blogs I promote so that the artists, venues, and myself all make money in the end. If you want to know how I do it go back and read my last few blogs. The night had a variety of local Tucson Hip Hop artists. They included first time performances by From Tha Ash and Chi!pz, Full Kontakt Entertainment, Tha Silent 1 & J Dawg, The Source and Cultivate Creative Sound(CCS) stepped up as the headliners. Top to bottom all of the acts performed very well. The crowd showed love consistently throughout the night for all of the acts. In the end we all had a kick ass time and I think we all are looking forward to the next show as I bring T.O.N.E-Z and Poe Whosaine to Tucson Aug 28th!
Now to the main theme for the post, The Movement. I have seen this past week a lot of love for my promotion method and how it benefits everyone at the show. I had several people come up to me at the show and after and state that they have never seen a crowd stay through every act in a show. Like I said all the acts and their fans stayed at the show and gave each and every act love. In the weeks leading up to the show all the artists were given a chance to make money bringing people to the show, and I hope most did in the end. So I am starting The Movement, the Promoters and Artists working together to make each and every show a success. Instead of each side trying to screw the other so they make more money, everyone works together and everyone makes money. Sure no one person or group is making thousands of dollars on the shows but in this economy every hundred bucks helps. There are too many times I have seen headliners do what Snug Brim did to me, get a deposit(make it non-refundable) and not show to perform. This hurts everyone and it needs to stop. Artists, if you are paid to show up and perform, do it! That is easy. The promoters are paying you, covering hotel costs, and in some cases travel cost and all you have to do is show up and do 45 min to an hour on stage, that is your JOB! Mars told me once he keeps a list of promoters and performers he has worked with. Each one has notes, if he trusts them and a label on if he will work with them in the future. I have started to keep a list as well. I hope as The Movement gets going we can build a network of trustworthy promoters and artists so we all can get ahead in the music business. That is what it is a BUSINESS! In my blog Business or Hobby I make it clear where I stand.
The next show Wicked Butterfly Entertainment is hosting is DJ Clay's Scratch the Surface Tour with Mars in Albuquerque, NM on July 26th! 2 weeks away so get the word out!
I truly feel as though this movement is needed and wanted in the business. Leave me some comments and let me know where you stand!
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Saturday, May 25, 2013
What exactly is Pay to Play?
Promoters are often shady and take advantage of artists. I have pointed this out in several blogs on here. But not all promoters are snakes. Not all promoters want to screw the artists over. The one thing all promoters have in common is they invest their own money into booking shows. They have to pay for artist travel, hotel, riders, venue cost, ticket cost, promotional materials, and much more. This can be a very expensive venture and a promoter wanting to protect themselves so they do not continue to hemorrhage money hosting shows should be acceptable. At the same time not every artist is shady. They all don't want to get on shows for free, be allowed to not sell any tickets or get fans in the door, or have nothing invested in the shows they do. This blog is here to clear up my thoughts on show promotion and how in the end everyone can make money and be happy.
One of the most popular and shady promoter tactics is called Pay to Play. I recently started planning a
show here in Tucson and was accused of this tactic. So this blog is my response to this accusation and hopefully a better understanding of what the term means and why what I do is not pay to play.
The most simple explanation is this, paying to play is where artists pay the promoter a certain amount of money to secure a spot on the show. That money gets the artist nothing in return except a 10-20 min slot on the show. The artist gives the promoter the cash and gets no money in return. Quite simply they "Pay to Play." The biggest problem with this is that most promoter that do this do not care about the show. They only care about the money. They will book 10-15 openers at $150-200 per opener and essentially make their money off of the artist. They don't care about getting fans in the door or "Promoting" the show. To them their money is made off the openers. This leads to minimal crowds for the headliners and really poor performances. By doing this these promoters ruin tours and shows for everyone. All the benefits are on the promoters side.
Another tactic promoters use is having openers sell tickets to secure the spot. They will consign the openers a certain number of tickets (25-50 usually) and have them give them the money from the sales the day of the show. This is a perfect scenario for the artist. They get the tickets and are expected to sell them to secure the spot. There are three major problems with this. First all of the money from those sales is expected to be handed over to the promoter the day of the show. So the artist once again makes no money. It becomes a pay to play scenario which brings in fans by the artists hustling ticket instead of the promoter. These shows have a better turn out because of this but the artist is still without payment. The second problem is in the fact that the artists don't have to sell the tickets, they simply have to give the promoter the cash the day of the show. So this still allows for artists with minimal skills or hustle to get onto shows and not have to bring one person in the door. And finally if the artists do not sell tickets and show up with no money the promoter is really assed out and either has to let them perform or have a huge hole in their lineup. The benefits work more in the artists benefit here but still leave the financial benefit in the promoters hands.
The final way of promoting and booking a show is what I prefer. I ask the artists put a deposit on the tickets I ask them to sell. In this case I am asking the artist "buy" 25 tickets from me for $6 per ticket. This means when they pick up the tickets I receive $150. After they have the tickets they are allowed to sell them for $8 per ticket and keep all of the money from the sales, this is $200. So by selling the 25 tickets required they make $50 in the end. After the 25 tickets I sell them tickets at $4 per ticket and they sell them for $8 per ticket making $4 for every ticket they sell. So lets do some simple math:
Artist buys 25 tickets at $6 per ticket-I (promoter) get $150
They sell them for $8 per ticket- They (Artist) get $200. A $50 profit in their pocket.
Lets say they sell another 25. They purchase them from me for $4/ticket- I get another $100.
They sell those for $8/ticket. They get $200. Another $100 in profit.
So as you can see in this scenario I as the promoter am able to protect my investment in the show, the artists has a chance to make some good money with their hustle in ticket sales, and the fans are brought to the show because of the sales. This is the closest thing to a win-win in the business. The artist does take risk in the ticket deposit but that is mitigated when they sell the tickets. I as the promoter take a risk someone will "pay to play" and not bring anyone in the door but that is mitigated by the fact the artists have an opportunity to make money. I don't know anyone in their right mind knowing they can sell 25 tickets that wouldn't take the risk in the deposit to make $50 or more.
No situation is perfect and all can be abused. But I can promise any artist I work with an honest and fair deal that can be mutually beneficial. I can also promise that any artist on my shows that "pay to play" will never be asked to do any of my shows again. I am willing to give anyone a chance until they burn me. I want artists that are willing to put in as much effort as me in promoting, getting fans in the door, and putting on the best shows in Tucson.
We need to start being fair and helping each other make money. We need to get away from the me first attitude. The what are you going to do for me while I do nothing for you mentality. I would love to get your thoughts and opinions so feel free to let me know!
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
One of the most popular and shady promoter tactics is called Pay to Play. I recently started planning a
show here in Tucson and was accused of this tactic. So this blog is my response to this accusation and hopefully a better understanding of what the term means and why what I do is not pay to play.
The most simple explanation is this, paying to play is where artists pay the promoter a certain amount of money to secure a spot on the show. That money gets the artist nothing in return except a 10-20 min slot on the show. The artist gives the promoter the cash and gets no money in return. Quite simply they "Pay to Play." The biggest problem with this is that most promoter that do this do not care about the show. They only care about the money. They will book 10-15 openers at $150-200 per opener and essentially make their money off of the artist. They don't care about getting fans in the door or "Promoting" the show. To them their money is made off the openers. This leads to minimal crowds for the headliners and really poor performances. By doing this these promoters ruin tours and shows for everyone. All the benefits are on the promoters side.
Another tactic promoters use is having openers sell tickets to secure the spot. They will consign the openers a certain number of tickets (25-50 usually) and have them give them the money from the sales the day of the show. This is a perfect scenario for the artist. They get the tickets and are expected to sell them to secure the spot. There are three major problems with this. First all of the money from those sales is expected to be handed over to the promoter the day of the show. So the artist once again makes no money. It becomes a pay to play scenario which brings in fans by the artists hustling ticket instead of the promoter. These shows have a better turn out because of this but the artist is still without payment. The second problem is in the fact that the artists don't have to sell the tickets, they simply have to give the promoter the cash the day of the show. So this still allows for artists with minimal skills or hustle to get onto shows and not have to bring one person in the door. And finally if the artists do not sell tickets and show up with no money the promoter is really assed out and either has to let them perform or have a huge hole in their lineup. The benefits work more in the artists benefit here but still leave the financial benefit in the promoters hands.
The final way of promoting and booking a show is what I prefer. I ask the artists put a deposit on the tickets I ask them to sell. In this case I am asking the artist "buy" 25 tickets from me for $6 per ticket. This means when they pick up the tickets I receive $150. After they have the tickets they are allowed to sell them for $8 per ticket and keep all of the money from the sales, this is $200. So by selling the 25 tickets required they make $50 in the end. After the 25 tickets I sell them tickets at $4 per ticket and they sell them for $8 per ticket making $4 for every ticket they sell. So lets do some simple math:
Artist buys 25 tickets at $6 per ticket-I (promoter) get $150
They sell them for $8 per ticket- They (Artist) get $200. A $50 profit in their pocket.
Lets say they sell another 25. They purchase them from me for $4/ticket- I get another $100.
They sell those for $8/ticket. They get $200. Another $100 in profit.
So as you can see in this scenario I as the promoter am able to protect my investment in the show, the artists has a chance to make some good money with their hustle in ticket sales, and the fans are brought to the show because of the sales. This is the closest thing to a win-win in the business. The artist does take risk in the ticket deposit but that is mitigated when they sell the tickets. I as the promoter take a risk someone will "pay to play" and not bring anyone in the door but that is mitigated by the fact the artists have an opportunity to make money. I don't know anyone in their right mind knowing they can sell 25 tickets that wouldn't take the risk in the deposit to make $50 or more.
No situation is perfect and all can be abused. But I can promise any artist I work with an honest and fair deal that can be mutually beneficial. I can also promise that any artist on my shows that "pay to play" will never be asked to do any of my shows again. I am willing to give anyone a chance until they burn me. I want artists that are willing to put in as much effort as me in promoting, getting fans in the door, and putting on the best shows in Tucson.
We need to start being fair and helping each other make money. We need to get away from the me first attitude. The what are you going to do for me while I do nothing for you mentality. I would love to get your thoughts and opinions so feel free to let me know!
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Friday, January 18, 2013
Opening acts and fans are being used
I have been rolling this idea around in my head for a while. Several years ago when Alex Abyss left Psychopathic Records I noticed a shift in the promotion, marketing, tickets, and merch that made me a little more than concerned. The focus of the label shifted from taking care of the fans (family) to making the almighty dollar. Now don't get me wrong I understand you are in the business to make money. But from the beginning ICP and Psychopathic Records has made great effort to treat the fans as family. They always kept ticket prices reasonable for most fans. The merch was relatively inexpensive. And the CD releases actually gave a little back with free add ons and other releases outside of the main ones. Since the change in management I now see ticket prices for shows higher than ever, the Gathering unattainable by most of the fans due to cost, VIP access is $100 and now does not include the $20-25 ticket for the show (the Gathering is only $175 and covers the 4-5 day event) making normal shows almost as much as the Gathering, album releases are at least 3 versions with the only difference being 1 or 2 tracks, and merch through the roof so most of the family cannot afford it. Psychopathic Records knows their fans are rabid and will buy almost everything they put out regardless of weather or not it is worth it. All of these things make me feel like they are taking advantage of us as fans. We deserve better and I think that is one of the main reasons Twiztid has left the label (although they have kept the VIP with no ticket thing).
When I moved near the Amarillo/Lubbock area I started this whole managing musicians thing. I also booked, promoted, and threw my own concert. That is when I noticed the opening acts being used. A promoter will book a show and then charge openers $200-$400 for a 10-15 min slot on the show. Then they book 8-10 openers which if you add it up comes out to $1600-$4000 from their opening acts! That covers all of their cost for the show so anything they make from ticket sales goes directly into their pockets. The crappy thing is opening acts feel that is just how the business works because they have been fed that crap for so long. Truth is if a promoter wants an opener to sell let's say 20 tickets for a slot at $10 a piece I understand that. It benefits everyone because more people are at the show and some of the cost is deflected. But if they do that they should be willing to give their opening acts say $1-2 per ticket they sell as incentive to sell more tickets! Then everyone is making a little something and is happy. This is how openers are getting robbed and being used. If you are an opening act don't fall for it. Find promoters willing to do the last thing I suggested. You will still have shows to do, you just wont be getting used to cover all of the promoters costs. If you guys unite against this stuff it will stop. The promoter should be making his/her money off the ticket sales from his/her own promotion of the shows. If they can't make their money back they shouldn't be doing the shows! I thought it might have just been that area but now I live in Tucson and am seeing the same thing here. For the upcoming Drive By shows in Farmington and Tucson openers are being asked to sell 75 tickets at $20 a piece. That comes out to $1500 for a 15 min time slot, or $100/min! Why would this be ok? Why would a struggling local act pay that much money to get on a show that will pull some fans but not anywhere near enough to justify that cost. The only Psychopathic group that would be worth that would be ICP. I have seen 40-45 date tours with a cost to join of around $2000. That is 40-45 shows not 1!
The last thing I wanted to touch on was the fact that in Amarillo, Lubbock, Albuquerque, Tucson and many other cities there seems to be a trend of division in the local scene. This means that any new acts to the area are forced to choose sides or not get put on any shows. It also means that quality acts from outside that city are not being put on shows so that the promoters friends, venue owners friends, or people down with a certain clique are the only people ever allowed to perform. Promoters if you have a quality act willing to pay their own way to get to your city to perform and all they ask is that you don't make them pay to play or sell a certain number of tickets (due to their cost of travel and hotel) let em get on your shows! It can only make it better. Local acts, don't be so quick to tell an outsider to get lost. They might be really good and you both can help each other. All the division is the reason we are losing the edge we once had. We are so worried about our own personal squabbles we are losing sight of our purpose, making money. If someone gets you into a diss war, you lose focus on making a great album which can make you money! If you are beefing in your city and fighting anyone who doesn't like you, you will end up in jail, which makes you lose money! Leaving petty difference behind and supporting another artist will not kill you and it improves your chance for success.
We need to change these things in our own community. If we don't we will continue to be used and continue to lose money. I am not an expert by any stretch but I have seen my fair share of business and how successful people make it. If we don't change the course of these things we can guarantee the Underground movement will not survive.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
When I moved near the Amarillo/Lubbock area I started this whole managing musicians thing. I also booked, promoted, and threw my own concert. That is when I noticed the opening acts being used. A promoter will book a show and then charge openers $200-$400 for a 10-15 min slot on the show. Then they book 8-10 openers which if you add it up comes out to $1600-$4000 from their opening acts! That covers all of their cost for the show so anything they make from ticket sales goes directly into their pockets. The crappy thing is opening acts feel that is just how the business works because they have been fed that crap for so long. Truth is if a promoter wants an opener to sell let's say 20 tickets for a slot at $10 a piece I understand that. It benefits everyone because more people are at the show and some of the cost is deflected. But if they do that they should be willing to give their opening acts say $1-2 per ticket they sell as incentive to sell more tickets! Then everyone is making a little something and is happy. This is how openers are getting robbed and being used. If you are an opening act don't fall for it. Find promoters willing to do the last thing I suggested. You will still have shows to do, you just wont be getting used to cover all of the promoters costs. If you guys unite against this stuff it will stop. The promoter should be making his/her money off the ticket sales from his/her own promotion of the shows. If they can't make their money back they shouldn't be doing the shows! I thought it might have just been that area but now I live in Tucson and am seeing the same thing here. For the upcoming Drive By shows in Farmington and Tucson openers are being asked to sell 75 tickets at $20 a piece. That comes out to $1500 for a 15 min time slot, or $100/min! Why would this be ok? Why would a struggling local act pay that much money to get on a show that will pull some fans but not anywhere near enough to justify that cost. The only Psychopathic group that would be worth that would be ICP. I have seen 40-45 date tours with a cost to join of around $2000. That is 40-45 shows not 1!
The last thing I wanted to touch on was the fact that in Amarillo, Lubbock, Albuquerque, Tucson and many other cities there seems to be a trend of division in the local scene. This means that any new acts to the area are forced to choose sides or not get put on any shows. It also means that quality acts from outside that city are not being put on shows so that the promoters friends, venue owners friends, or people down with a certain clique are the only people ever allowed to perform. Promoters if you have a quality act willing to pay their own way to get to your city to perform and all they ask is that you don't make them pay to play or sell a certain number of tickets (due to their cost of travel and hotel) let em get on your shows! It can only make it better. Local acts, don't be so quick to tell an outsider to get lost. They might be really good and you both can help each other. All the division is the reason we are losing the edge we once had. We are so worried about our own personal squabbles we are losing sight of our purpose, making money. If someone gets you into a diss war, you lose focus on making a great album which can make you money! If you are beefing in your city and fighting anyone who doesn't like you, you will end up in jail, which makes you lose money! Leaving petty difference behind and supporting another artist will not kill you and it improves your chance for success.
We need to change these things in our own community. If we don't we will continue to be used and continue to lose money. I am not an expert by any stretch but I have seen my fair share of business and how successful people make it. If we don't change the course of these things we can guarantee the Underground movement will not survive.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Thursday, September 6, 2012
Perception vs Reality
It has been a little while since I had a serious topic to discuss, but today we get back to voicing opinions about topics to help up and coming artists. I have found as I grow into my position as a manager I am finding very different types of rappers/artists. The first group is the group who have never lost sight of where they stand in the business. They constantly hustle, constantly strive to improve themselves, never forget what they went through to get to where they are in the business, and always try to remember that there are other people who may not be as far along that might need help. They are aware they may be a medium fish in a small pond and are not afraid of giving a little to smaller fish to help them grow. Then we have the second group. This group hustle when it benefits only them, have a view that they are more important than they are, think the world owes them something because they may be starting to make waves, and are consistently regarded as a pain to work with or and asshole.
Group one has a lot of characteristics that I find desirable. My first experience with this group was when I was booking and promoting the T.O.N.E-Z show in April of this year. I had 6 openers and 2 headliners. Most of the headliners fall into group one. They were hustling tickets til the day of the show. Even the day of the show they were at the mall or out trying to get more fans out to the show. Most of them knew the bigger the crowd the better the show. After the show two of the openers hit me up for management services because they knew a good manager can make your career move further. Yes a manager does charge fees and very rarely puts and monetary funds into the acts themselves, the manager puts time and effort into making collabs happen, making merch discounts happen, finding shows for the artist to perform at and spending their own time and energy to get your name known outside of your town or city. Because of the time and effort involved in making all these things happen the manager normally takes a monthly fee and gets a percentage of all merch sold, appearance fees, etc. The first group also realized that as they get more popular they might be asked to collab with newer artists. This can be a positive and negative for all parties involved. The positives are that the new artist is getting a known artist on a track that may or may not make them famous, but the money involved can be quite high. The known artist takes the most risk. If they are not selective and just do all the collabs that come along because someone is paying them they risk overexposure and weakening their standing by having their name on sub-par tracks. Artists in the first group are willing to take some risks to help further their career or other artists careers. For newer artists (1-4 years in the business and a few mixtapes or debut album for sale) who are beginning to get asked to collab on tracks my advice would be to do the collabs for free or a max of like $50 for a verse or hook. Doing this will get your name more known, get you some money for it, and allow newer artists to help both of your careers. For more established artists (4-6 years in the business and at least a few CD's being sold on the market) I would say no more than $200 for a verse and $100 for collabs. Of course artists can make their own choices but should definitely consult your manager for their advice. The artists in this group will also rely on their manager for business decisions. If they want to collab with more known artists they should tell their manager and let him/her work out the details. If you want a music video made tell your manager and let them work out the details. By doing this you will allow yourself less stress and more time to worry about what is the most important, writing lyrics, creating beats, and recording your next hot track. A good manager/artist relationship is one where the artist focuses on music and the manager handles the business side of the house. For all these reasons the first group gets my respect and continued support.
Group two is the group I will only work with until they prove they belong in group two. Artists/promoters/bookers/etc all have similar characteristics. Here is the list to watch out for:
- Egotistical, they have an inflated sense of self. This means they may have no cd's on the shelf, no exposure outside of a small geographic area, and limited stage or recording experience but still want to charge $200 for a verse or hook because they "deserve it"
- Not trustworthy, They think everyone else in the business is fake or not real. They constantly talk negative about people and have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. If someone can't get them money or fame they will do everything in their power to make that person fail.
- Two Faced, they will say all the right things to your face to make sure you think they are your friend but as soon as you are not around they bad mouth you.
- Self promoting, refusing to work with anyone they feel "isn't in their league" or is "below them" May have a very limited following but feel the need to price their merch or collabs way to high because they feel it is owed to them.
Now don't get me wrong I feel most artists need a little ego to make sure they produce great music, but too much ego is a bad thing! Self promotion is also a good thing as long as you don't lose your head. People in group two will want to be pampered and waited on hand and foot. They want other people to tell them how great they are and kiss up to them. They don't think a manager deserves anything if they haven't put money into the artist. They feel like no other artist is anywhere near their skill level so they will not work or do shows with most of them. To them the rap world owes them something even if they have done nothing to earn it. If you are an artist and after working with most people they don't want to work with you again, you might want to rethink what you are doing. If you gained a fan base that is so faithful they will buy anything you are selling, don't take advantage of them at every turn to make a buck.
I know I am relatively new to the business but I know who I will and will not work with ever again. My past blog posts have exposed some people from both groups. I didn't do it to start beef or make anyone fail in the business. I did it to make other managers/promoters/bookers aware of the people I have come across that they might wanna look out for. There is a huge movement right now in the underground rap scene that people are taking notice of. This movement is made up of people like me with similar feelings on how things should be done. So if you think I am alone in this I can guarantee you I am not. Things are changing for the better.
That is all I have right now. If you have any input please feel free to comment!
MMWFL,
Juggalotus
Group one has a lot of characteristics that I find desirable. My first experience with this group was when I was booking and promoting the T.O.N.E-Z show in April of this year. I had 6 openers and 2 headliners. Most of the headliners fall into group one. They were hustling tickets til the day of the show. Even the day of the show they were at the mall or out trying to get more fans out to the show. Most of them knew the bigger the crowd the better the show. After the show two of the openers hit me up for management services because they knew a good manager can make your career move further. Yes a manager does charge fees and very rarely puts and monetary funds into the acts themselves, the manager puts time and effort into making collabs happen, making merch discounts happen, finding shows for the artist to perform at and spending their own time and energy to get your name known outside of your town or city. Because of the time and effort involved in making all these things happen the manager normally takes a monthly fee and gets a percentage of all merch sold, appearance fees, etc. The first group also realized that as they get more popular they might be asked to collab with newer artists. This can be a positive and negative for all parties involved. The positives are that the new artist is getting a known artist on a track that may or may not make them famous, but the money involved can be quite high. The known artist takes the most risk. If they are not selective and just do all the collabs that come along because someone is paying them they risk overexposure and weakening their standing by having their name on sub-par tracks. Artists in the first group are willing to take some risks to help further their career or other artists careers. For newer artists (1-4 years in the business and a few mixtapes or debut album for sale) who are beginning to get asked to collab on tracks my advice would be to do the collabs for free or a max of like $50 for a verse or hook. Doing this will get your name more known, get you some money for it, and allow newer artists to help both of your careers. For more established artists (4-6 years in the business and at least a few CD's being sold on the market) I would say no more than $200 for a verse and $100 for collabs. Of course artists can make their own choices but should definitely consult your manager for their advice. The artists in this group will also rely on their manager for business decisions. If they want to collab with more known artists they should tell their manager and let him/her work out the details. If you want a music video made tell your manager and let them work out the details. By doing this you will allow yourself less stress and more time to worry about what is the most important, writing lyrics, creating beats, and recording your next hot track. A good manager/artist relationship is one where the artist focuses on music and the manager handles the business side of the house. For all these reasons the first group gets my respect and continued support.
Group two is the group I will only work with until they prove they belong in group two. Artists/promoters/bookers/etc all have similar characteristics. Here is the list to watch out for:
- Egotistical, they have an inflated sense of self. This means they may have no cd's on the shelf, no exposure outside of a small geographic area, and limited stage or recording experience but still want to charge $200 for a verse or hook because they "deserve it"
- Not trustworthy, They think everyone else in the business is fake or not real. They constantly talk negative about people and have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. If someone can't get them money or fame they will do everything in their power to make that person fail.
- Two Faced, they will say all the right things to your face to make sure you think they are your friend but as soon as you are not around they bad mouth you.
- Self promoting, refusing to work with anyone they feel "isn't in their league" or is "below them" May have a very limited following but feel the need to price their merch or collabs way to high because they feel it is owed to them.
Now don't get me wrong I feel most artists need a little ego to make sure they produce great music, but too much ego is a bad thing! Self promotion is also a good thing as long as you don't lose your head. People in group two will want to be pampered and waited on hand and foot. They want other people to tell them how great they are and kiss up to them. They don't think a manager deserves anything if they haven't put money into the artist. They feel like no other artist is anywhere near their skill level so they will not work or do shows with most of them. To them the rap world owes them something even if they have done nothing to earn it. If you are an artist and after working with most people they don't want to work with you again, you might want to rethink what you are doing. If you gained a fan base that is so faithful they will buy anything you are selling, don't take advantage of them at every turn to make a buck.
I know I am relatively new to the business but I know who I will and will not work with ever again. My past blog posts have exposed some people from both groups. I didn't do it to start beef or make anyone fail in the business. I did it to make other managers/promoters/bookers aware of the people I have come across that they might wanna look out for. There is a huge movement right now in the underground rap scene that people are taking notice of. This movement is made up of people like me with similar feelings on how things should be done. So if you think I am alone in this I can guarantee you I am not. Things are changing for the better.
That is all I have right now. If you have any input please feel free to comment!
MMWFL,
Juggalotus
Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Bridging the divide
At the beginning of the month I signed Black Project Productions and Sikone to Wicked Butterfly Entertainment as you may know, if not check out my other posts for that news! Anyway a few days after signing them I got a text from Dmize in Albuquerque, NM about a show he was putting on call Night of the Wicked. He asked if Draztik the Terrible would perform at the show. As I was answering I got another text from 806 Outlaw asking if I could get them on the show as well. So once I asked Dmize he said it was all good and all of the artists I had could come do the show! How does any of this apply to the title of my blog? Well it is simple, 806 told me he had been trying to get a show in Albuquerque for about 2 years with no success. As I asked some questions it became clear there had been issues in the past and very few Texas underground rappers had been welcomed into that city. The war of words had prevented great music from being shared across borders. It became a feud the likes of the Hatfield's and McCoy's. Because of petty egos rappers had been shut out of certain markets. So the title Bridging the divide means just that. This show on Friday night will be all of our opportunity to leave petty differences aside and enjoy a night of music together.
I do not care what kind of "beef" someone might have with another performer. We should all be professionals and adhere to a thing called professional courtesy. That means we can all be on the same show and not have to hang out or anything. We can all perform, get some love, and then go our separate ways. I am asking every artist on the ticket to please treat this night as a celebration of all of our accomplishments, because if we plan to make moves and put the SW on the map we all need to support one another professionally! I can tell you as the manager of all the artists on Wicked Butterfly we are coming there to blow the roof off the place. We will make a mark with our performances and nothing else. We will not be there to start any problems and hope you all will do the same. We don't have to like each other to co-exist.
As I have told my guys Success is the best revenge. That simply means talk is cheap and if you succeed your enemies can't say anything. I know we can make this show live as hell. I know each and every artist on there puts on a show. I know we can make it a fun night with zero issues. This is our chance to make people see we are not all wanna be thugs and criminals.
Let's all do the right thing this weekend.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
I do not care what kind of "beef" someone might have with another performer. We should all be professionals and adhere to a thing called professional courtesy. That means we can all be on the same show and not have to hang out or anything. We can all perform, get some love, and then go our separate ways. I am asking every artist on the ticket to please treat this night as a celebration of all of our accomplishments, because if we plan to make moves and put the SW on the map we all need to support one another professionally! I can tell you as the manager of all the artists on Wicked Butterfly we are coming there to blow the roof off the place. We will make a mark with our performances and nothing else. We will not be there to start any problems and hope you all will do the same. We don't have to like each other to co-exist.
As I have told my guys Success is the best revenge. That simply means talk is cheap and if you succeed your enemies can't say anything. I know we can make this show live as hell. I know each and every artist on there puts on a show. I know we can make it a fun night with zero issues. This is our chance to make people see we are not all wanna be thugs and criminals.
Let's all do the right thing this weekend.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Thursday, July 19, 2012
Black Project Productions
So I have been saying for about a month or so that I had some big news for my blog, well here it is, 806 Outlaw and Narkotix otherwise known as Black Project Productions have officially signed onto Wicked Butterfly Entertainment! That means I am now officially representing them as their manager! For those who don't know anything about them here is a brief biography:
Black Project Productions is a rap duo based out of
Amarillo, TX. This group is made up of
Randy Forester, aka 806 Outlaw, and Cecil Martinez, aka Narkotix. Let’s take a look at where it all started and
how they became the group we know and love today.
In 2004/2005 Randy
was a solo artist named Devian the Outlaw. Cecil and their Homie Orlando were a group
called Diemondaze. As a group, the three
of them entered the Underground Psychos Contest held by ICP, entering their EP,
Forest of Dismembered Bodies. They lost
the contest, but that alone set them on the road which would eventually lead to
bigger and better things. Around 2006,
they added Guadalupe Rios aka Corerupt and became the Underground Assassins. They released the first UGA CD “The Next Level”. It was an EP they produced the beats for,
rapped on, mixed and mastered themselves.
In 2008, due to internal issues, the group was disbanded. Londo Martinez, aka Kano Kiljoy, and Guadalupe
dabbled in music while Cecil took a break from making music. Randy went on to rap for a label called Thug
Luv with his Homie DPG. He was on the
label until 2009 and then moved labels to All Legit Records, with two more Homies of his, DJ OD and DJ Baby E, where they started getting recognition. Shortly after this they hooked up with Rezerect
and began getting the Juggalo scene noticed in Amarillo. In 2011, once again
due to internal issues, the group broke up.
Randy and Cecil split from All Legit Records and formed Black Project Productions. They began creating original beats and
rhymes. From this, they performed at
countless shows in Amarillo but rarely had a chance to grow out of the city’s
borders. In April of 2012, they were
invited to perform at a show in Lubbock, TX.
This would be the beginning of great things to come. In July 2012, they signed a deal to become
the second and third members of the newly founded Wicked ButterflyEntertainment. While this partnership is
in its infant stages, the company has secured them a performance later in July
in Albuquerque, NM. This is a huge step,
as most underground Texas rap groups have not been welcomed into New Mexico to
perform. Look out in the future for new
projects and performances.
So there you have it. Keep tuned into this blog and all the Facebook and Reverb pages for any news and updates to come! Also be on the lookout for another bio this weekend for the 4th member of Wicked Butterfly Entertainment.
MMFWFL,
Juggalotus
Saturday, June 30, 2012
Upcoming events for Wicked Butterfly
We are almost in July and that means we are coming up on our busiest month of the year so far. So this is a look at what we have on the agenda this month.
First I am happy to announce that Wicked Butterfly Entertainment has come to terms with artists in the Lubbock and Amarillo areas. The full details on these 2 artists will be posted as soon as they become official. Now this month we have 3 shows within the first 2 weeks. Next Thursday Draztik the Terrible will be opening up for none other than Miss Kisa. She comes out of the great state of Florida and the show in Amarillo is going to be hype as hell. Then a mere 6 days later on July 11 also in Amarillo Draztik will be opening up for none other than that West Coast Killa himself Mars and the legend himself Mastamind on their Keep it Reel Tour. On July 15 Draztik will perform at a local showcase show in amarillo as well. So that is how this month will start for us. Along with that we are still in the studio pushing hard to make sure his album "Between Heaven and Hell" is ready to blow your eardrums on Dec 21, 2012.
There is a new artist I wanted you guys to be aware of and hit up his facebook page because he is going to be blowing up the scene at those shows as well. His name is Selfmade and he is one of the hottest new Hip Hop artists in Lubbock, TX. I am currently working with him to get a compelation CD put together for sale at those shows. So check out his Facebook and Reverb and check out what he has going on!
Also appearing on those shows is a group called black project productions. This is made up by 2 guys named 806 Outlaw and his homie Narkotix. They will be putting it down representing the 806! Last but not least my homie Sikone aka Mickey Mangles will be in the house with his group Sik Made Killas. So come out and check out these shows. They are all going to be hype and well worth the cost involved.
Get out and support the local music in your communities. If there are any artists you would like me to listen to and give a review let me know.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
First I am happy to announce that Wicked Butterfly Entertainment has come to terms with artists in the Lubbock and Amarillo areas. The full details on these 2 artists will be posted as soon as they become official. Now this month we have 3 shows within the first 2 weeks. Next Thursday Draztik the Terrible will be opening up for none other than Miss Kisa. She comes out of the great state of Florida and the show in Amarillo is going to be hype as hell. Then a mere 6 days later on July 11 also in Amarillo Draztik will be opening up for none other than that West Coast Killa himself Mars and the legend himself Mastamind on their Keep it Reel Tour. On July 15 Draztik will perform at a local showcase show in amarillo as well. So that is how this month will start for us. Along with that we are still in the studio pushing hard to make sure his album "Between Heaven and Hell" is ready to blow your eardrums on Dec 21, 2012.
There is a new artist I wanted you guys to be aware of and hit up his facebook page because he is going to be blowing up the scene at those shows as well. His name is Selfmade and he is one of the hottest new Hip Hop artists in Lubbock, TX. I am currently working with him to get a compelation CD put together for sale at those shows. So check out his Facebook and Reverb and check out what he has going on!
Also appearing on those shows is a group called black project productions. This is made up by 2 guys named 806 Outlaw and his homie Narkotix. They will be putting it down representing the 806! Last but not least my homie Sikone aka Mickey Mangles will be in the house with his group Sik Made Killas. So come out and check out these shows. They are all going to be hype and well worth the cost involved.
Get out and support the local music in your communities. If there are any artists you would like me to listen to and give a review let me know.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
Wednesday, June 13, 2012
The Amarillo Variety show
Last night was the Amarillo variety show in Amarillo, TX. Draztik the Terrible had to perform so he and I left Clovis, NM and headed out there, it is about an hour and a half or so. We got in around 5:30 Texas time and headed to our homie 806 Outlaw's house to kick it before the show. We hung out there until about 7 and headed to the venue for the show. When we got there we met up with the promoter and got our wristbands. Then it was a waiting game. We met a ton of cool homies there. Dmize came in from New Mexico which was a good time. It was all good until the chaos started!
First thing is that the promoter kept switching the lineup around. Draztik was supposed to go on first. Then he was moved to forth. Then he got bumped to fifth. Then finally he went on 8th. Everyone else was a part of the artist shuffle as I call it. No one knew when they were supposed to perform. Through most of the sets the artists either couldn't hear themselves cause the mic volume was to low or it was to high so when they went in front of a speaker there was massive feedback. I hope this was a one time fluke and not an accurate interpretation of how the promoter works as we have a few more shows to do for them.
Draztik did much better this show. He had more confidence on the mic. He also performed our newest track Love me/Hate me and it was live that's for sure. 806 Outlaw ripped the mic but his hypeman got a little too drunk and kept forgetting his verses and such. Dmize killed it and wore himself out in the process. There was a death metal band which was a definite change of pace. Some local more mainstream hip hop which sounded as you would expect. And of course the headliners Born Wicked did their thing and ended the show on a high note.
Tomorrow we are headed back out to Amarillo to a MC showcase, hosted by Sir Johnson Himself we got invited to. Draztik will perform again and will tear the roof off it again no doubt. Sir Johnson is a cool dude and I look forward to working with him in the future.
Not much else to report. There was a lot of performers but not a lot of fans but what do you expect on a Tuesday night! If there are any underground, mainstream, or any artist that would like a good honest review of your work let me know and I will check it out and post it here on the blog!
Thats it fam I am outta here!
Juggalotus
Saturday, June 9, 2012
WB making moves in Texas!
So Wed I made it to the studio again with Dratik the Terrible. We did a track called Love me/Hate me. It is the latest in a long line of hot tracks we have produced in the studio so check it out! While in Lubbock I also met with Mickey Mangles aka Sikone to work out some contract details. Nothing is official and in ink yet but look for a huge post soon about that situation. While there I also met with a new artist named Selfmade. He gave me two CD's to check out and I hope to have some more details about him in the near future.
Now as Wicked Butterfly moves forward there are some huge releases on the horizon. Be on the lookout in the near future for a huge mixtape called the WB Boyz. This will include every artist signed to Wicked Butterfly Entertainment. It will be the worlds first introduction to the company and artists that I am bringing to the world. The Southwest has been slept on and that is all about to change. Then later in the year look for the debut release for Draztik the Terrible called Between heaven and hell. That will be released at the end of the year and will destroy any ideas you might have of the wicked shit. Mickey Mangles is currently working on new material but be on the lookout for a full release of Refried Beans, his most current release which gives a great look at his career both solo and a part of the groups Tierrosos and Sik Made Killas. He is also going out on the Blackout Tour with S.M.K. this summer so check him out as he comes to your city. Selfmade is in the studio as well making new tracks for your earholes. So be on the lookout for all that flavor in the next few months.
Thats the news as only I can give it. I will say if you are an artist or promoter looking to book any of these guys hit me up! They are all available for collabs and any shows you want them at.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
Now as Wicked Butterfly moves forward there are some huge releases on the horizon. Be on the lookout in the near future for a huge mixtape called the WB Boyz. This will include every artist signed to Wicked Butterfly Entertainment. It will be the worlds first introduction to the company and artists that I am bringing to the world. The Southwest has been slept on and that is all about to change. Then later in the year look for the debut release for Draztik the Terrible called Between heaven and hell. That will be released at the end of the year and will destroy any ideas you might have of the wicked shit. Mickey Mangles is currently working on new material but be on the lookout for a full release of Refried Beans, his most current release which gives a great look at his career both solo and a part of the groups Tierrosos and Sik Made Killas. He is also going out on the Blackout Tour with S.M.K. this summer so check him out as he comes to your city. Selfmade is in the studio as well making new tracks for your earholes. So be on the lookout for all that flavor in the next few months.
Thats the news as only I can give it. I will say if you are an artist or promoter looking to book any of these guys hit me up! They are all available for collabs and any shows you want them at.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
Sunday, May 13, 2012
Wicked Butterfly Entertainment
Ok so the music blog has taken a very strange turn this year. In January my intention was to get interviews with artists and make my blog the best place for information for my audience. Since then it has morphed into a monster! I have a friend Draztik who wanted me to go to the studio with him and check out what he was doing. So I went. We made a song that blew us away. Next thing I know he wants me to be his manager. I was cool with that even though I had never considered doing anything like that. So we started making music weekly at the studio. Then he hits me up to possibly do a Juggalo Jump off show with DJ Clay. I was like ok and I started looking for a second headliner. That lead me to meet T.O.N.E-Z. He was a cool dude who was down with coming to Texas for the first time. Well Clay didn't work out and I had to call T.O.N.E-Z and break the news. He was cool and said if I still wanted to do a show he was down. This led me to jump feet first into the music business. So I started planning the show, once again not having any experience what so ever in this. It was definitely a learning process and in the end I lost my butt financially. But the good news is I learned a ton and made a lot of connections in the business. So here we are May 13, 2012 and I am now running a blog, planning a CD release and working the studio for the album, managing a schedule for Draztik, Working full time, and now starting a promotions/booking/management company for artists in West Texas and New Mexico.
So I am here to officially announce that my new company Wicked Butterfly Entertainment is official. As of today my roster includes only Draztik the Terrible. But due to the show and connections I might possibly be adding 5 more groups to the mix. I can say officially that the Tripola Boyz from Lubbock are the newest members of the Wicked Butterfly family. We hope to have the contract worked out soon and be able to add them to the roster. Thanks to Mickey Mangles I have a new company logo:
Look him up for Graphics, Beats, and performances!
I am always interested in musicians or rappers to add to the roster so if you are interested hit me up at wickedbutterflyentertainment@gmail.com. I am also promoting and booking any shows in Lubbock, Amarillo, or Albuquerque so if you have a show you want here let me know!
So there you have it the back story of the birth of a new music company!!
I hope for great things in the future and thank all of you for reading my blog and sticking with me through this year!
Juggalotus
So I am here to officially announce that my new company Wicked Butterfly Entertainment is official. As of today my roster includes only Draztik the Terrible. But due to the show and connections I might possibly be adding 5 more groups to the mix. I can say officially that the Tripola Boyz from Lubbock are the newest members of the Wicked Butterfly family. We hope to have the contract worked out soon and be able to add them to the roster. Thanks to Mickey Mangles I have a new company logo:
Look him up for Graphics, Beats, and performances!
I am always interested in musicians or rappers to add to the roster so if you are interested hit me up at wickedbutterflyentertainment@gmail.com. I am also promoting and booking any shows in Lubbock, Amarillo, or Albuquerque so if you have a show you want here let me know!
So there you have it the back story of the birth of a new music company!!
I hope for great things in the future and thank all of you for reading my blog and sticking with me through this year!
Juggalotus
Wednesday, April 18, 2012
There is only 2 days left!
You read that right Family, there is only 2 days left, 2 days for you to get your tickets to the hottest show to come through West Texas this year! The past week there have been a few changes that I am sure you will enjoy:
1. Tickets are now just $12. Weather you get them from Ralphs Records, one of the performers, or online your tickets are going to be just $12. For those of you who are students at Texas Tech University, if you show up at the door and have your student ID I will take an additional $2 off! That means this show is just $10 for you.
2. T.O.N.E-Z has added a free T-Shirt to all VIP packages. So for $25 you now get a 2 hour meet and greet with T.O.N.E-Z and Big Ian of Faygoluvers, a copy of his 2008-2011 Best of Underground Collab CD, and A T.O.N.E-Z T-Shirt to add to your swag.
3. For those in attendance T.O.N.E-Z informed me last night he was going to be recording this performance for later release. This means if you are there and front stage you will be in a future T.O.N.E-Z video release! How sweet is that!
4. The hottest girl in the club contest is still going down and looking to be fresh as hell as Special K hits the stage with her sidekick G and they bring the girls on stage to show off as only lettes can. Bracket system will be in effect so you will have to blow the crowds minds. The winner walks away with a fresh $100 bill.
So let me recap. If you are a hot Juggalette and a student you pay $10 to get in. Sign up for the contest and have the possibility to walk out 10 times richer! T.O.N.E-Z has added a ton more freshness for the VIP's and crowd. Tickets are $3 cheaper cause lets face it the economy sucks right now and we are all Family.
This is not only going to be a Family affair it is going to be a Hip Hop/Rap affair. Lets get Jake's rocking and show Mars, T.O.N.E-Z, and our local artists how much love West Texas has for the underground. You could go to X-Fest but why spend almost $100 to see bands who may or may not just go through the motions to get a paycheck. The artists on this show are all hustlin trying to make it. They are consistantly on the grind. Let's make this show Hype. Lets get drunk, have some fun, and spend some good old fashioned "Family Time"
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
1. Tickets are now just $12. Weather you get them from Ralphs Records, one of the performers, or online your tickets are going to be just $12. For those of you who are students at Texas Tech University, if you show up at the door and have your student ID I will take an additional $2 off! That means this show is just $10 for you.
2. T.O.N.E-Z has added a free T-Shirt to all VIP packages. So for $25 you now get a 2 hour meet and greet with T.O.N.E-Z and Big Ian of Faygoluvers, a copy of his 2008-2011 Best of Underground Collab CD, and A T.O.N.E-Z T-Shirt to add to your swag.
3. For those in attendance T.O.N.E-Z informed me last night he was going to be recording this performance for later release. This means if you are there and front stage you will be in a future T.O.N.E-Z video release! How sweet is that!
4. The hottest girl in the club contest is still going down and looking to be fresh as hell as Special K hits the stage with her sidekick G and they bring the girls on stage to show off as only lettes can. Bracket system will be in effect so you will have to blow the crowds minds. The winner walks away with a fresh $100 bill.
So let me recap. If you are a hot Juggalette and a student you pay $10 to get in. Sign up for the contest and have the possibility to walk out 10 times richer! T.O.N.E-Z has added a ton more freshness for the VIP's and crowd. Tickets are $3 cheaper cause lets face it the economy sucks right now and we are all Family.
This is not only going to be a Family affair it is going to be a Hip Hop/Rap affair. Lets get Jake's rocking and show Mars, T.O.N.E-Z, and our local artists how much love West Texas has for the underground. You could go to X-Fest but why spend almost $100 to see bands who may or may not just go through the motions to get a paycheck. The artists on this show are all hustlin trying to make it. They are consistantly on the grind. Let's make this show Hype. Lets get drunk, have some fun, and spend some good old fashioned "Family Time"
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
Sunday, April 1, 2012
The Underground and Family
As many of you know I have been a Juggalo for a long time. I have noticed a lot of changes in the fanbase and the mentality of the fans. Which is one of the major reasons I created this blog. I wanted to remind the Family why we are all Juggalos. All of us are drawn to the underground for a lot of different reasons. Some for the sense of community. Some for the love of the music. Some just because they don't fit anywhere else. When I found the music it changed me. I have found a lot of comfort in the music, sense of community, and overall love I have experienced. I found a place where everyone who comes in is welcomed. Where it dsoesn't really matter where you came from, who your parents are, or why you are down. All that matters is that you are who you are. No expectations. You wanna wear paint, do it. You don't wanna wear paint, don't. You wanna buy the merch go ahead. This community allows you to be yourself, whatever you might be.
In the past few years things have changed, and not for the better. We now are classified as a gang. Why you might ask, well because a few people who don't embrace the family or the message of the music have done a lot of really bad crap in the name of Juggalos everywhere. Now a few bad apples will spoil any bunch but instead of the family bonding together and changing the opinions of the masses there is a growing population of rebellious teen/20 somethings that have decided to act out against the tag negatively instead of handling it right. Now not all young fans are that way but I am seeing this growing trend and feel it is my place as a veteran Juggalo to say something. Instead of screaming "Fuck the police" and flipping off the world we need to do the right things to make people see us in a different light. Psychopathic records has made this effort and we need to follow their example. Last Christmas they had a toy drive and a month ago they had Juggalo day and performed at a homeless shelter. They did these things not because they were getting paid to do it but becuse they wanted the"real" world to see us in a good light. They are showing us the right way to change peoples minds about out Family.
I try everyday to make sure I do things that are going to make us as Juggalos and Juggalettes look good. I don't throw up gang signs, flip people off for looking at my hatchet, scream obscenities for no reason, etc. I don't do drugs, drink, or smoke but those are personal choices. If you do those things you have the right and I think you can do those things, although drugs are illegal at this time. By wearing the hatchet we have a bullseye on us from the jump, why would we do anything to further the BS that we are all losers or gang bangers by doing stupid stuff? If you do positive things and still rep the hatchet then we all look good. The more positive things that happen while people rep our Family crest the better we will all be.
I have begun booking and promoting shows here in West Texas. Since starting this process I have found another disturbing trend among our Family, Family ripping off Family. I am currently working with T.O.N.E-Z and MARS to do a show in Lubbock on April 21. When I began to book the openers I kept getting asked how much money I was going to charge them for a 20 min set. I was stunned. Why on Earth would I charge a local underground act any money to fill a 20 min set I need to have booked. Perhaps if it was a major record label name or more mainstream I might consider it, but even then it would be unlikely. By filling that 20 min slot in the show they are helping me out. On top of that if they promote the hell out of the show and sell a ton of tickets I make sure they get a cut of the profits, thus they are getting paid to fill a slot. All of those people that emailed seemed to think it was normal and ok that so-called Family was charging them to play a show. Promoter/bookers should never make their profit off openers, those acts have enough costs in just making the music that charging them is just low.
When I put out my flyer for the show I did not realize that one of my openers had been working on being a part of another show the same day. But because I had all my stuff already confirmed they chose my show. The other promoter and their friends took to facebook and any other social media they could to basically say I was stepping on their turf, stealing their openers, and taking money out of their pocket. The biggest problem is they didn't even know who I was. They thought one of my openers was booking/promoting the show and due to prior problems decided to rip the show apart without knowing who was actually promoting it. We are all trying to get the underground noticed and there is no reason that anyone should bad mouth another show. There is enough shows coming through any city that more than one promoter can work there. There just has to be COMMUNICATION between these promoters to make sure that openers are not double booked, venues are not being fought over, and the shows are all successful.
These issues have all been resolved once I was communicating with the people involved. My point in this whole blog is that as a community and Family we need to look out for each other. No one else is going to do it for us. If you know of a show in your area promote it! If you want to hel with a show ask the promoter/booker. There is a ton of cost involved in these projects and all help is most definitely appreciated.
Lets keep our group in the positive. There is no reason to commit crimes, tag buildings, rob people, etc and then claim the hatchet like a badge of honor. Lets do all we can to change the idea people have of juggalos. Only we can change that perception.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
In the past few years things have changed, and not for the better. We now are classified as a gang. Why you might ask, well because a few people who don't embrace the family or the message of the music have done a lot of really bad crap in the name of Juggalos everywhere. Now a few bad apples will spoil any bunch but instead of the family bonding together and changing the opinions of the masses there is a growing population of rebellious teen/20 somethings that have decided to act out against the tag negatively instead of handling it right. Now not all young fans are that way but I am seeing this growing trend and feel it is my place as a veteran Juggalo to say something. Instead of screaming "Fuck the police" and flipping off the world we need to do the right things to make people see us in a different light. Psychopathic records has made this effort and we need to follow their example. Last Christmas they had a toy drive and a month ago they had Juggalo day and performed at a homeless shelter. They did these things not because they were getting paid to do it but becuse they wanted the"real" world to see us in a good light. They are showing us the right way to change peoples minds about out Family.
I try everyday to make sure I do things that are going to make us as Juggalos and Juggalettes look good. I don't throw up gang signs, flip people off for looking at my hatchet, scream obscenities for no reason, etc. I don't do drugs, drink, or smoke but those are personal choices. If you do those things you have the right and I think you can do those things, although drugs are illegal at this time. By wearing the hatchet we have a bullseye on us from the jump, why would we do anything to further the BS that we are all losers or gang bangers by doing stupid stuff? If you do positive things and still rep the hatchet then we all look good. The more positive things that happen while people rep our Family crest the better we will all be.
I have begun booking and promoting shows here in West Texas. Since starting this process I have found another disturbing trend among our Family, Family ripping off Family. I am currently working with T.O.N.E-Z and MARS to do a show in Lubbock on April 21. When I began to book the openers I kept getting asked how much money I was going to charge them for a 20 min set. I was stunned. Why on Earth would I charge a local underground act any money to fill a 20 min set I need to have booked. Perhaps if it was a major record label name or more mainstream I might consider it, but even then it would be unlikely. By filling that 20 min slot in the show they are helping me out. On top of that if they promote the hell out of the show and sell a ton of tickets I make sure they get a cut of the profits, thus they are getting paid to fill a slot. All of those people that emailed seemed to think it was normal and ok that so-called Family was charging them to play a show. Promoter/bookers should never make their profit off openers, those acts have enough costs in just making the music that charging them is just low.
When I put out my flyer for the show I did not realize that one of my openers had been working on being a part of another show the same day. But because I had all my stuff already confirmed they chose my show. The other promoter and their friends took to facebook and any other social media they could to basically say I was stepping on their turf, stealing their openers, and taking money out of their pocket. The biggest problem is they didn't even know who I was. They thought one of my openers was booking/promoting the show and due to prior problems decided to rip the show apart without knowing who was actually promoting it. We are all trying to get the underground noticed and there is no reason that anyone should bad mouth another show. There is enough shows coming through any city that more than one promoter can work there. There just has to be COMMUNICATION between these promoters to make sure that openers are not double booked, venues are not being fought over, and the shows are all successful.
These issues have all been resolved once I was communicating with the people involved. My point in this whole blog is that as a community and Family we need to look out for each other. No one else is going to do it for us. If you know of a show in your area promote it! If you want to hel with a show ask the promoter/booker. There is a ton of cost involved in these projects and all help is most definitely appreciated.
Lets keep our group in the positive. There is no reason to commit crimes, tag buildings, rob people, etc and then claim the hatchet like a badge of honor. Lets do all we can to change the idea people have of juggalos. Only we can change that perception.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Opening acts in music
So I have ventured into the studio as a producer and into the real world as a Booker, promoter, and manager. So far it has been good but there have been things I have seen that worry me about the underground music scene. First off I had a few opening acts for the T.O.N.E-Z show I am booking in Lubbock ask how much I was charging them to perform. My first question was Why would I charge you to perform? The answer I got was "that's how it is done around here" Well I cannot accept that! Now that I am managing Draztik the Terrible I see the cost involved in making an album, mixing, getting guest spots, etc. If you are an opener for any tour unless it is a huge name in the business you should not have to pay someone who is making money off you in ticket sales anyway, that is them screwing you over royally.
Another promoter on facebook posted some rules to proper promotion here is just a few:
1. BOOK YOUR LOCAL ACTS (SUPPORT ACTS) TO PROMOTE THE SHOW AND SELL THOSE TICKETS.
2. MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT ON YOUR TICKETS FOR YOUR SUPPORT ACTS TO MAKE A DOLLAR OR TWO OFF OF IT. (i.e.: SELL TICKETS AT 7- LET THEM KEEP 2 OFF EACH TICKET. ALL COMMISSION. NEVER PAY DIRECT, UNLESS THEY HAVE A KNOWN NAME LIKE SAID HEADLINER OF TOUR).
3. JUST BECAUSE SAID ARTISTS NAME IS ON FACEBOOK OR ANY OTHER MEDIA SITE SAYING THEY ARE GOING ON TOUR AND HAVE FLIERS ALL OVER THE INTERNET, NOR THE NAME IN THE MARQUEE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ALL THE FANS KNOW THAT ARTIST IS COMING TO TOWN. MOST PROMOTION IS DONE WORD OF MOUTH AND VIA FLYER. HARD WORK AND DEDICATION MAKE A SHOW.
4. DO NOT HAVE ARTISTS PAY ON TO THE SHOW, UNLESS ITS OK-ED WITH THE TOUR. THERE'S NO WORK IN THAT. OR IT MEANS DOUBLE FOR YOU. THAT ALSO JEOPARDIZES YOUR SHOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO PROMOTION BEHIND IT. THAT'S WHY THIS BUSINESS IS CALLED "PROMOTIONS"
So looking at those rules why on earth would any openers feel like they should pay to play. You are not only helping the Booker/promoter by performing but you will be helping promote as well. That is a huge deal because the promoter alone cannot bring as many fans as when the openers are getting something for their hard work and getting the word out.
The other problem I have encountered is other promoters. Why if I have a show I am booking in the same city on the same day am I all of the sudden "stepping on your turf" or "starting something" there is plenty of groups/artists/acts that all Bookers and promoters can make money. And if a group promised you they would do your show in planning but eventually agree to my show because yours is not going anywhere that is an issue for you and them to work out, why am I involved? I am new to this business but am learning quickly that while I may occasionally get stepped on because I am honest in my dealings does not mean I am a doormat. So any promoter that thinks I am I hate to say you will be in for a shock when I not only take your shows and openers but run you and your BS out of town.
Opening acts deserve better treatment. Just because I would like to make money does not mean I can screw people who are helping me over. So please all you up and coming acts, don't sell yourselves short. If a promoter wants you to pay $200-300 to do a 20 min set and another promoter will give you a 20 min set for nothing and let you keep a buck or two on the tickets you sell, make the right choice. It's time we take back the underground.
We are all family but that does not mean all people in the game can be trusted.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
Another promoter on facebook posted some rules to proper promotion here is just a few:
1. BOOK YOUR LOCAL ACTS (SUPPORT ACTS) TO PROMOTE THE SHOW AND SELL THOSE TICKETS.
2. MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT ON YOUR TICKETS FOR YOUR SUPPORT ACTS TO MAKE A DOLLAR OR TWO OFF OF IT. (i.e.: SELL TICKETS AT 7- LET THEM KEEP 2 OFF EACH TICKET. ALL COMMISSION. NEVER PAY DIRECT, UNLESS THEY HAVE A KNOWN NAME LIKE SAID HEADLINER OF TOUR).
3. JUST BECAUSE SAID ARTISTS NAME IS ON FACEBOOK OR ANY OTHER MEDIA SITE SAYING THEY ARE GOING ON TOUR AND HAVE FLIERS ALL OVER THE INTERNET, NOR THE NAME IN THE MARQUEE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ALL THE FANS KNOW THAT ARTIST IS COMING TO TOWN. MOST PROMOTION IS DONE WORD OF MOUTH AND VIA FLYER. HARD WORK AND DEDICATION MAKE A SHOW.
4. DO NOT HAVE ARTISTS PAY ON TO THE SHOW, UNLESS ITS OK-ED WITH THE TOUR. THERE'S NO WORK IN THAT. OR IT MEANS DOUBLE FOR YOU. THAT ALSO JEOPARDIZES YOUR SHOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO PROMOTION BEHIND IT. THAT'S WHY THIS BUSINESS IS CALLED "PROMOTIONS"
So looking at those rules why on earth would any openers feel like they should pay to play. You are not only helping the Booker/promoter by performing but you will be helping promote as well. That is a huge deal because the promoter alone cannot bring as many fans as when the openers are getting something for their hard work and getting the word out.
The other problem I have encountered is other promoters. Why if I have a show I am booking in the same city on the same day am I all of the sudden "stepping on your turf" or "starting something" there is plenty of groups/artists/acts that all Bookers and promoters can make money. And if a group promised you they would do your show in planning but eventually agree to my show because yours is not going anywhere that is an issue for you and them to work out, why am I involved? I am new to this business but am learning quickly that while I may occasionally get stepped on because I am honest in my dealings does not mean I am a doormat. So any promoter that thinks I am I hate to say you will be in for a shock when I not only take your shows and openers but run you and your BS out of town.
Opening acts deserve better treatment. Just because I would like to make money does not mean I can screw people who are helping me over. So please all you up and coming acts, don't sell yourselves short. If a promoter wants you to pay $200-300 to do a 20 min set and another promoter will give you a 20 min set for nothing and let you keep a buck or two on the tickets you sell, make the right choice. It's time we take back the underground.
We are all family but that does not mean all people in the game can be trusted.
MMFWCL,
Juggalotus
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